tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-885245149616425096.post1411382905474803315..comments2023-07-03T08:15:06.513-07:00Comments on attempts to speciate a new culture (homo sustainabilis?): Gender and consumerismIuval Clejanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14268182906177574307noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-885245149616425096.post-4915863708372229842012-09-25T06:38:28.832-07:002012-09-25T06:38:28.832-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-885245149616425096.post-26109817308699951932009-03-19T13:41:00.000-07:002009-03-19T13:41:00.000-07:00Wiselittleracoon said: " Also, although you may se...Wiselittleracoon said: <BR/><BR/>" Also, although you may see this as useless effort, I think you should go on to describe how each of the energies moderates the others. And if the dynamic of the testicular masculine tempering the uterine feminine is best played out internally within an individual of either gender, then I think your example should show how that works, rather than being an example of a man tempering a woman, which is incendiary. "<BR/><BR/>Thanks for that and the feedback about exemplifying the generous Goddess spirit. I don't recall meaning for the example to be a man tempering a woman (maybe I said that somewhere), although if I did say that, recall that it is just an example and not a universal. Please consider that example to be a conversation within a single individual. The testicular masculine can be moderated by the uterine feminine (and vice versa) in many ways which I can give examples of when I have more time. And Kali can be moderated by the penile and testicular masculine in ways of which Shakespeare was already aware of in Taming of the Shrew. The converse, the penile or testicular masculine being moderated by Kali is also interesting, but I will have to return to this when Chris is not waiting for me in the car...<BR/>-ICAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-885245149616425096.post-8087517913571926852009-03-14T07:18:00.000-07:002009-03-14T07:18:00.000-07:00I had another thought or three this morning. Using...I had another thought or three this morning. Using your model of the four gendered energies, which I do not know that I embrace as truth, but using it as descriptive, one fatal flaw in your writing in general and your treatise in particular, may be that you are writing from the penile masculine in one moment and the testicular masculine in the next, with a little Kali thrown in. Your writing may suffer from an imbalance, utterly (udderly?) lacking in uterine feminine, which makes your message appear harsh and reactionary. The adjustments I've been recommending all along, including the removal of gender from the description of these energies and their behaviors, may be the voice of the uterine feminine playing a moderating role--playing the testicular masculine--to bring you back into balance.<BR/><BR/>Also, although you may see this as useless effort, I think you should go on to describe how each of the energies moderates the others. And if the dynamic of the testicular masculine tempering the uterine feminine is best played out internally within an individual of either gender, then I think your example should show how that works, rather than being an example of a man tempering a woman, which is incendiary. <BR/><BR/>In my Open Classroom project, I wanted to have a kid version of the various personality type indicator models our there--Myers Briggs, Keirsey Bates, enneagrams, etc. The kids and I started considering our energies based on the four elements, fire, water, earth and air. This was familiar to them. Using these elements as descriptors, I would give the feedback that your writing is a lot of fire, which is wonderful and exciting until it's untempered by other elements. As a person who can tend to be earth to a fault, I simply end up feeling scorched by your message. I may rebuild and regrow, but I don't feel all warm and cuddly and thankful to the fire for dismissing and wiping out what I've achieved. I don't suddenly want to join the fire in its mission. <BR/><BR/>Love ya Sweetie!<BR/><BR/>Wren Tuatha<BR/>http://www.hippiechickdiaries.com/wiselittleraccoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02107509449359352677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-885245149616425096.post-40974999439888762412009-03-13T09:33:00.000-07:002009-03-13T09:33:00.000-07:00Hello Sweetie,Thanks for laying all of these ideas...Hello Sweetie,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for laying all of these ideas out carefully and thoughtfully. I appreciate all the nuances of each thought, as I have the forty-seven other times you have expressed them. <BR/><BR/>I hear you. I disagree with you. <BR/><BR/>When you use gender as a descriptor or a way of explaining what you see, either by physical sex or the four gendered energies as you describe them (whether or not your understanding matches your source material), you build walls between you and people like me who would like to partner with you to reverse the culture of consumerism. Seeing consumerism through the lens gender patterns is not a path to an enlightened view that suddenly makes us realize our wicked ways and cut up our credit cards. It instead makes women, or this woman, want to throw food at you. Does this mean you're "onto something?" Possibly, just as it is possible that you are in fact a patriarchal reactionary, although you would like to believe you're not.<BR/><BR/>Everyone, male, female, intersexed, trans, needs to get real about how our culture of stuff is killing us and the planet with us. We need to find a level of simplicity we can sustain, and find satisfaction in more non-material pursuits. I'd love to hear you talk more about consumerism as a substitute for spirituality. I resonate with that. But making the discussion about gender, or at least trying to understand the trends through perceived gender differences, is offensive, not informative. The food landing on you and your difficulty in recruiting community members are evidence that your world view is dividing people, not bringing us together. <BR/><BR/>Good luck on that intentional community thing. Better plan for lots of food fights in the dining hall...wiselittleraccoonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02107509449359352677noreply@blogger.com